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The Great Transsexual Radical Feminist Menace

"I don't give a shit whether or not they [MTF transsexuals) want to chop themselves up. I don't give a shit if they want to wear dresses. That doesn't make them female. It doesn't mean their issues and concerns are female issues and concerns. So long as female issues and concerns are subsumed to and absorbed by male interests (as they are when male people call themselves and are accepted as female), women will never socially realize our full humanity AS FEMALE PEOPLE."

In my daily crawl through google alert land, I found a post over at Egarooo that said:

“I don’t give a shit whether or not they [MTF transsexuals] want to chop themselves up. I don’t give a shit if they want to wear dresses. That doesn’t make them female. It doesn’t mean their issues and concerns are female issues and concerns. So long as female issues and concerns are subsumed to and absorbed by male interests (as they are when male people call themselves and are accepted as female), women will never socially realize our full humanity AS FEMALE PEOPLE.”

I responded at the blog with:

“I think your first five words say it all. You don’t give a shit. Obviously. You follow a belief that it something akin to religion, because it’s not based on any rational basis, only belief (a belief that isn’t falsifiable). The science on transsexuality on the other hand, is growing.

Additionally, if you looked at human beings as people and not objects, you’d not spout such ridiculous stereotypical nonsense. Just because I’m a transsexual doesn’t mean I’m mentally handicapped. I know what my biology is. I know what my chromosomes are. But in the big scheme of things, how many people see your genitals? How do they oppress you, by looking down your pants? No. We may not be biologically female, but I’m not sure how that matters, given that oppression is based on gender, not sex.  In the case of transsexuals, gender is the ‘social position’, not sex. Those that have ‘the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex’ (gender), are oppressed no matter what their genitals are (unless there is some inspection that I just don’t know about).

But then to your kind, the facts don’t matter. People don’t matter. The good side of radical feminism is that it is a radical pathology that will, because of its weaknesses, never gain access to power.”

Under their theory (that the radical feminist goal is to have female people be acknowledged as BOTH female AND human), it’s biology that suppresses and oppresses, not gender. But that makes no rational sense. If you are treated in this world as female, even though you aren’t biologically, how is that oppression any different? Light skinned African American can have access to to white privildge because of their skin color. If they are perceived to be white, they are white in the social sphere. Their biology or lineage have little impact on their privilege, unless it is publicly known.

What amazes me is the vitriol and anger that is spewed by these kind of people. It reminds me of the same kind of emotional response that my Klansman grandfather would have to African Americans. It wasn’t a rational response, but an emotional one. I just can’t understand the source (in both cases).

“I mean, whoop-de-fucking-doo if a male can call himself female and have his humanity recognized. What about recognition of the humanity of female people who actually acknowledge and accept that they are, in fact, female?”

Are these radical feminists removed from society enough to know that:

A study in the San Francisco Bay Area conducted in 2006 of 194 transgender individuals found a 35% unemployment rate, with 59% earning less than $15,300 annually.

Nationwide, the rates of employment discrimination against transgender people are consistently high. A Williams Institute review of six studies conducted in cities and regions on both coasts and the Midwest, showed the following ranges for experiences of discrimination based on gender identity:

13%-56% of transgender people had been fired
13%-47% had been denied employment
22%-31% had been harassed, either verbally or physically, in the workplace – source @ Transgroup blog

I’m not going to play the “my oppression is worse than your oppression” card, but to insist that we have our humanity validated is just ludicrous. One look at TransgenderDOR gives you an idea of how well our humanity is validated. But then it really doesn’t matter to them because they “don’t really give a shit.”

One of my friends wrote the following poem, and it’s always touched a part inside of me that wants to understand people that have such hatred in their heart:

for a friend… (Desiree Handley)

i want to sit you down
ask three thousand questions
because
i don’t understand
where the hate comes from.
i don’t understand
how you put together
those words
in that order
to say the most hurtful
hateful angry things.
i don’t understand
how you’re making sense
of this
in your head.
i don’t understand
the sadness and isolation
lack of self or love
that must be rotting away
inside you.

please
show me the light
you’ve been using
in what i can only imagine
is the darkness
of your mind.

and if you won’t speak
if you can’t
explain justify rationalize
(anything please,
i’m begging you)
i’m going to open you up
climb inside and
search for some reasoning,
i need evidence
that something made you this way
and then
we’ll go about fixing it.

because
you presented your self
as human
but yet
i find no humanity.

i’m racking my brain
for a story
of how you came to be
and
in the archives
of my self, i find
only a single line,
which echoes,
pity this busy monster, manunkind
and i think
how can i pity you?
but mister e.e. cummings
hid the answer
on the next line
which didn’t spring
to mind so quickly,
his words were
pity this busy monster, manunkind,
not.

so please
give me some reason
to believe
you are not this
monster
because i don’t want to
hate
i don’t want to be
you.

31 Comments

  1. GK says:

    “Taste is a sensation, gender is something totally different… “

    Sense of self is a sensation. Gender is part of it.

  2. Natasha TS GOdess says:

    I wanted to leave a comment for all the radical feminists and any other transphobic people out there in the cosmos.

    Trans women do (italicized) experience the same oppression as women. When a young transy kid is beat up on the playground, or ostracized by his or her family, what do you suppose it is that elicits this sort of abuse? It is the feminine qualities of the trans person that people react to when they choose to discriminate against us, even is it is not known that we are trans. Trans women do not experience “male privilege” before they transition. Yes, maybe life will cut us a break here and there if people perceive us as male, and we maybe aren’t as likely to be objectified sexually by men if we are not presenting as female. But are discriminated against, and there is no denying that. When you’re a girl inside, people do notice. They notice maybe that there is a certain softness to you, or they see the way you relate to other girls or how you are averse to partake in typical “guy stuff”. We do not enjoy male privilege. If anything, it is just one of many things that we are told that we have but does not reflect how we actually are. What if you are a closeted trans woman and you are offered higher pay or better treatment in some situation over a woman. This will likely not feel right and the manifestation of “male privilege” playing out in your favor will likely feel totally alien to how you actually are. Add to all of this the fact that trans people have immense opposition from those in power and are institutionally discriminated against to such a dramatic extent (check the unemployment rates, the number of us without access to healthcare, and many other things that genetic women (and men) are often able to take for granted in comparison to trans people. RADICAL FEMINISTS, IN RELATION TO TRANS ISSUES, TOO OFTEN SIDE WITH THE PATRIARCHY. This in itself is enough to dismiss their transphobic views. It also does more to hurt the women’s movement and stifles progress toward equality.

  3. Natasha TS GOdess says:

    I wanted to leave a comment for all the radical feminists and any other transphobic people out there in the cosmos.

    Trans women do (italicized) experience the same oppression as women. When a young transy kid is beat up on the playground, or ostracized by his or her family, what do you suppose it is that elicits this sort of abuse? It is the feminine qualities of the trans person that people react to when they choose to discriminate against us, even is it is not known that we are trans. Trans women do not experience “male privilege” before they transition. Yes, maybe life will cut us a break here and there if people perceive us as male, and we maybe aren’t as likely to be objectified sexually by men if we are not presenting as female. But are discriminated against, and there is no denying that. When you’re a girl inside, people do notice. They notice maybe that there is a certain softness to you, or they see the way you relate to other girls or how you are averse to partake in typical “guy stuff”. We do not enjoy male privilege. If anything, it is just one of many things that we are told that we have but does not reflect how we actually are. What if you are a closeted trans woman and you are offered higher pay or better treatment in some situation over a woman. This will likely not feel right and the manifestation of “male privilege” playing out in your favor will likely feel totally alien to how you actually are. Add to all of this the fact that trans people have immense opposition from those in power and are institutionally discriminated against to such a dramatic extent (check the unemployment rates, the number of us without access to healthcare, and many other things that genetic women (and men) are often able to take for granted in comparison to trans people. RADICAL FEMINISTS, IN RELATION TO TRANS ISSUES, TOO OFTEN SIDE WITH THE PATRIARCHY. This in itself is enough to dismiss their transphobic views. It also does more to hurt the women’s movement and stifles progress toward equality.

  4. Quite a ways after the fact but I thought I’d add my thoughts as well, if only for the benefit of others who might read. 🙂

    So, post-menopausal women stop being women? My grandmother will be very interested in your theories. If your rebuttal to this is “well she probably had periods for most of her life, so that makes her a woman!” my counterargument is… are you seriously, as a feminist, trying to say that a period is what makes a woman?

    Remind yourself you said this the next time you confront an ignorant macho bloke making snide remarks about PMS.

    It would be interesting if you explored the very particular reasons trans women face oppression. A lot of it comes from exactly the same misogynistic place that general bias against women comes from. Indeed, you don’t see it, but by reducing womanhood to a period and to birth sex you’re actually serving the same arguments advanced by centuries’ worth of sexists.

    It also was not a choice, just as being gay or bi is not a choice- it’s a matter of realising that living a lie will leave you as one of the walking dead. The only choice is to accept who you are. But we did not elect to be born trans.

    As I said, we’re attacked for the same reasons you are. Very often, whether you accept it or not, men project their worst misogynist fantasies on us because they see us as woman-like but ‘not actually’ women, so they think they can get away with it. So I do feel- and there are a lot of cis feminists who have come around to the fact- that our rights are your rights because we’re just a different type of woman.

    It may surprise you to learn that we too have been around for eons. We were the priestesses of ancient goddesses and the guiding seers of countless cultures. In the days before Abrahmic religions and even for some time after, we were accorded prominent places in society. Trans men and trans women existed in various cultures for millennia, even as we were all but hidden from view, erased from history, scoured from the very language, we stuck around.

    The 20th century’s slow, steady growth and expansion of human rights brought us back into the light, yes, and medical advances made more things possible than they were before, but we didn’t just spring forth whole from society sometime in the 1970s.

    From ancient Rome we have a poem from a young man, which reads as a prayer to the goddess Cybele not to call him as a Gallae, one of the goddess’ transsexual priestesses, for he so feared not being a man anymore. Soft misogyny that is thousands of years old, and echoes the same paranoia men have about us today. This is not new and we are not late.

    So yes, I will call you sister, and I will march for the right to have abortions I know I’ll never need, or birth control access that I do not need, because I know my sisters do need that agency and do need those rights. I know that I’m attacked just as much for being a trans*woman* as I am for being a *trans* woman. We are in this together whether you like it or not.

    I promise you I am a better friend than the patriarchs whose biological-essentialist message you echo, however.

  5. Quite a ways after the fact but I thought I’d add my thoughts as well, if only for the benefit of others who might read. 🙂

    So, post-menopausal women stop being women? My grandmother will be very interested in your theories. If your rebuttal to this is “well she probably had periods for most of her life, so that makes her a woman!” my counterargument is… are you seriously, as a feminist, trying to say that a period is what makes a woman?

    Remind yourself you said this the next time you confront an ignorant macho bloke making snide remarks about PMS.

    It would be interesting if you explored the very particular reasons trans women face oppression. A lot of it comes from exactly the same misogynistic place that general bias against women comes from. Indeed, you don’t see it, but by reducing womanhood to a period and to birth sex you’re actually serving the same arguments advanced by centuries’ worth of sexists.

    It also was not a choice, just as being gay or bi is not a choice- it’s a matter of realising that living a lie will leave you as one of the walking dead. The only choice is to accept who you are. But we did not elect to be born trans.

    As I said, we’re attacked for the same reasons you are. Very often, whether you accept it or not, men project their worst misogynist fantasies on us because they see us as woman-like but ‘not actually’ women, so they think they can get away with it. So I do feel- and there are a lot of cis feminists who have come around to the fact- that our rights are your rights because we’re just a different type of woman.

    It may surprise you to learn that we too have been around for eons. We were the priestesses of ancient goddesses and the guiding seers of countless cultures. In the days before Abrahmic religions and even for some time after, we were accorded prominent places in society. Trans men and trans women existed in various cultures for millennia, even as we were all but hidden from view, erased from history, scoured from the very language, we stuck around.

    The 20th century’s slow, steady growth and expansion of human rights brought us back into the light, yes, and medical advances made more things possible than they were before, but we didn’t just spring forth whole from society sometime in the 1970s.

    From ancient Rome we have a poem from a young man, which reads as a prayer to the goddess Cybele not to call him as a Gallae, one of the goddess’ transsexual priestesses, for he so feared not being a man anymore. Soft misogyny that is thousands of years old, and echoes the same paranoia men have about us today. This is not new and we are not late.

    So yes, I will call you sister, and I will march for the right to have abortions I know I’ll never need, or birth control access that I do not need, because I know my sisters do need that agency and do need those rights. I know that I’m attacked just as much for being a trans*woman* as I am for being a *trans* woman. We are in this together whether you like it or not.

    I promise you I am a better friend than the patriarchs whose biological-essentialist message you echo, however.

  6. queen emily says:

    Actually, trans women do get cramps. Knowledge 1 – Ignorance 0.

  7. queen emily says:

    Actually, trans women do get cramps. Knowledge 1 – Ignorance 0.

  8. julia says:

    can you have a period? massive cramps? have you been a gender minority since birth?

    how can a male, starting out higher in the gender hierarchy, cry boo hooo when he chooses to castrate/gender re-assign himself and then claim he has no rights? you started out “on top” and chose being “on the bottom”.

    women don’t see hierarchy. we deal with blood and pain monthly to be so tied up into who is more male or female. this whole site smacks of “i’m just as female and therefore, move over sister, your rights are my rights”. which is silly – you had ALL the advantages and chose to, in your own words, “give them up”.

    women don’t need proof. we feel it when we can’t get out of bed for days, or when we can’t bleed, for some illness, we still search out the ways and wherefores, knowing its a huge part of who we are.

    appropriation of gender is what you choose. with that comes all the garbage that women deal with, and then some. women have been oppressed by men for eons, and we do find your behavior and motivations suspect, especially when it takes so much rationalizing. do what you must, but you are trans-people, not women. get your own rights, stop assuming ours are yours. you showed up at the dinner table far too late to be called one of the chefs.

    • Marti Abernathey says:

      appropriation of gender is what you choose. with that comes all the garbage that women deal with, and then some. women have been oppressed by men for eons, and we do find your behavior and motivations suspect, especially when it takes so much rationalizing. do what you must, but you are trans-people, not women. get your own rights, stop assuming ours are yours. you showed up at the dinner table far too late to be called one of the chefs.

      And now, coming to you live from the Oppression Olympics….

      First of all, you don’t know my race, or my heritage, so you have no idea of what privilege I have or grew up with. All you have is your cookie cutter fundamentalist rhetoric. Secondly, you totally ignored what I said in the post. Oppressors don’t check your panties to see if you have a penis or a vagina, when they decide to oppress/sexually harass you. You are gendered by your appearance and your mannerisms.

  9. julia says:

    can you have a period? massive cramps? have you been a gender minority since birth?

    how can a male, starting out higher in the gender hierarchy, cry boo hooo when he chooses to castrate/gender re-assign himself and then claim he has no rights? you started out “on top” and chose being “on the bottom”.

    women don’t see hierarchy. we deal with blood and pain monthly to be so tied up into who is more male or female. this whole site smacks of “i’m just as female and therefore, move over sister, your rights are my rights”. which is silly – you had ALL the advantages and chose to, in your own words, “give them up”.

    women don’t need proof. we feel it when we can’t get out of bed for days, or when we can’t bleed, for some illness, we still search out the ways and wherefores, knowing its a huge part of who we are.

    appropriation of gender is what you choose. with that comes all the garbage that women deal with, and then some. women have been oppressed by men for eons, and we do find your behavior and motivations suspect, especially when it takes so much rationalizing. do what you must, but you are trans-people, not women. get your own rights, stop assuming ours are yours. you showed up at the dinner table far too late to be called one of the chefs.

    • Marti Abernathey says:

      appropriation of gender is what you choose. with that comes all the garbage that women deal with, and then some. women have been oppressed by men for eons, and we do find your behavior and motivations suspect, especially when it takes so much rationalizing. do what you must, but you are trans-people, not women. get your own rights, stop assuming ours are yours. you showed up at the dinner table far too late to be called one of the chefs.

      And now, coming to you live from the Oppression Olympics….

      First of all, you don’t know my race, or my heritage, so you have no idea of what privilege I have or grew up with. All you have is your cookie cutter fundamentalist rhetoric. Secondly, you totally ignored what I said in the post. Oppressors don’t check your panties to see if you have a penis or a vagina, when they decide to oppress/sexually harass you. You are gendered by your appearance and your mannerisms.

    • Jacks says:

      “women don’t see hierarchy.”

      I’m betting there are a lot of minorities who would guffaw at such a ridiculously privileged comment.

  10. Marti I was not refering to you. Actually I was talking to/about people like the woman who “dont give a shit”. I am not that little girl anymore that I spoke of. I am 46 thankfully post-op since nov 2005. I too have done some pretty amazing and wonderful things in my life. One is to still be currently and legally married to the same woman now for going on 27 years thanks to ohio laws on birth certificates. As far as wasting my time worrying about little ole’ you. I highly doubt you need worried about. You strike me as a very positive strong woman. I wish you all the best in life. To anyone else who may read this, always remember . Be proud of who you are. Life can truely be wonderful.

  11. Marti I was not refering to you. Actually I was talking to/about people like the woman who “dont give a shit”. I am not that little girl anymore that I spoke of. I am 46 thankfully post-op since nov 2005. I too have done some pretty amazing and wonderful things in my life. One is to still be currently and legally married to the same woman now for going on 27 years thanks to ohio laws on birth certificates. As far as wasting my time worrying about little ole’ you. I highly doubt you need worried about. You strike me as a very positive strong woman. I wish you all the best in life. To anyone else who may read this, always remember . Be proud of who you are. Life can truely be wonderful.

  12. I cannot say definatively through science that I am a woman. I do know that inside I know I am . Something I do wish those with closed minds would look at is, why on earth would a young child come to the conclusion that they are a girl when by all outward appearances they are a boy. Why would a young boy go to bed each night praying for god to make him a girl? Why would a young boy risk beatings by friends and family just to be able to show the world just who she knows she is on the inside. Trans what? Growing up in the late sixties and early seventies the only trans anything I had ever heard of was a Trans Am. I had no reason to even consider nature had made a mistake, and yet here I am. I may not have been born a natal female, But I am a woman. I am proud of who I am and to those in this world who cannot accept that. I feel sorry for you. A closed mind is such a terrible thing to have to live with. You short change yourself in so much splender this world has to offer.

    • Marti Abernathey says:

      @Katherine I’m in no way suggesting you’re not a woman. The condition of a conflict between your brain and body is becoming more and more obvious to the scientific community that it is a sort of intersexed condition. But being definitionally female and being a woman are two different things. Gender is what people see, sex is what equipment you have for reproduction. I never had ova, and never will produce ova. I’ll never be a biological female. Feel sorry for me? Because I know the difference between sex/female and gender/woman? Please, don’t waste your time worrying about little ole’ me. I’ve done some pretty wonderful things in my life.

  13. I cannot say definatively through science that I am a woman. I do know that inside I know I am . Something I do wish those with closed minds would look at is, why on earth would a young child come to the conclusion that they are a girl when by all outward appearances they are a boy. Why would a young boy go to bed each night praying for god to make him a girl? Why would a young boy risk beatings by friends and family just to be able to show the world just who she knows she is on the inside. Trans what? Growing up in the late sixties and early seventies the only trans anything I had ever heard of was a Trans Am. I had no reason to even consider nature had made a mistake, and yet here I am. I may not have been born a natal female, But I am a woman. I am proud of who I am and to those in this world who cannot accept that. I feel sorry for you. A closed mind is such a terrible thing to have to live with. You short change yourself in so much splender this world has to offer.

    • Marti Abernathey says:

      @Katherine I’m in no way suggesting you’re not a woman. The condition of a conflict between your brain and body is becoming more and more obvious to the scientific community that it is a sort of intersexed condition. But being definitionally female and being a woman are two different things. Gender is what people see, sex is what equipment you have for reproduction. I never had ova, and never will produce ova. I’ll never be a biological female. Feel sorry for me? Because I know the difference between sex/female and gender/woman? Please, don’t waste your time worrying about little ole’ me. I’ve done some pretty wonderful things in my life.

  14. Pomegranates says:

    What you have to realize about a lot of these “radical feminists” is that they see reality through a kind of filter: basically they explain everything with the maxim “whatever explanation implies the most hatred and discrimination against women is the correct one.”

    So, when they look at M2F transsexuals, they see them as men trying to invade their spaces and politics, and trying to undermine their own goals of achieving societal recognition of their personhood.

  15. Pomegranates says:

    What you have to realize about a lot of these “radical feminists” is that they see reality through a kind of filter: basically they explain everything with the maxim “whatever explanation implies the most hatred and discrimination against women is the correct one.”

    So, when they look at M2F transsexuals, they see them as men trying to invade their spaces and politics, and trying to undermine their own goals of achieving societal recognition of their personhood.

  16. Cj Marie says:

    There are always “things” we can “blame” for our conditions especially if we do not have the courage to accept our own responsibilities of our decisions. the word discrimination is just another label created to describe peoples preferences of creating their own comfort zones. I was speaking to the “statistics”. Although i did not wish to make this personal… I grew up dirt poor, below poverty level my whole life, and honestly that is why when i first began my journey of my identity was cut short, because of all of the hoops i was told i needed to jump through. I made a life, and finally reached a point where although the economics are still stagering i am moving forward. It took about 6 months of high level communications with HR department (president in fact) to now live full time as a woman in a great company. But i am not a statistic anywhere, no one knows of me.
    My analogy of pizza is a preference, so is my choice of the gender role i wish to live. The choices to “become” are just that, choices..
    It is true tranz are not “total” woman because they have not had the oppurtunity to live a life from the beginning that way, but their struggles incorporate both worlds of gender.
    You representing a definition of female is equally not fair my mother would not fit that description now, do to several surgeries that almost killed her, but their is no questioning her femaleness

  17. Cj Marie says:

    There are always “things” we can “blame” for our conditions especially if we do not have the courage to accept our own responsibilities of our decisions. the word discrimination is just another label created to describe peoples preferences of creating their own comfort zones. I was speaking to the “statistics”. Although i did not wish to make this personal… I grew up dirt poor, below poverty level my whole life, and honestly that is why when i first began my journey of my identity was cut short, because of all of the hoops i was told i needed to jump through. I made a life, and finally reached a point where although the economics are still stagering i am moving forward. It took about 6 months of high level communications with HR department (president in fact) to now live full time as a woman in a great company. But i am not a statistic anywhere, no one knows of me.
    My analogy of pizza is a preference, so is my choice of the gender role i wish to live. The choices to “become” are just that, choices..
    It is true tranz are not “total” woman because they have not had the oppurtunity to live a life from the beginning that way, but their struggles incorporate both worlds of gender.
    You representing a definition of female is equally not fair my mother would not fit that description now, do to several surgeries that almost killed her, but their is no questioning her femaleness

  18. Cj Marie says:

    I have struggled my whole life of the why’s of identity, and have yet to come to any conclusion. We as humans need to rationalize anything we don’t understand, we label and group things in order to make sense of our world. Just because there is or isn’t scientific “proof” does not prove anything because it is still an interpretation of what gender “reality” is. It was once thought there was a god of the sun, it was once thought the atom was the smallest. This is what i think…. I love Pizza… is their a test for that? Is their genetic proof of why my taste buds react in such a way that pizza taste good to me but not others? So because others do not like pizza does that mean pizza does not taste good?
    PS i hate statistics… equally not “truth”
    people of extreme emotional distress have a tendency to make bad decisions, lets take surveys of bi-polar, or depression, being trans is what i would imagine emotionally one of the most difficult way someone to live their life. It is not about being gay, which has its on “suck” factor, but what happens in ones bedroom is NO ONE’s business where as Trans is LIFE. So the the reality of statistic of trans having so much difficulty stems from Bad presentation, bad decision making, and just plain stupidity from people. This world operates on money, people start companies and make money, yet those that do not have what it takes to start and be successful want to blame that on being trans? Really? lets have a little reality check!

    • Marti Abernathey says:

      Just because there is or isn’t scientific “proof” does not prove anything because it is still an interpretation of what gender “reality” is. It was once thought there was a god of the sun, it was once thought the atom was the smallest. This is what i think…. I love Pizza… is their a test for that? Is their genetic proof of why my taste buds react in such a way that pizza taste good to me but not others? So because others do not like pizza does that mean pizza does not taste good?
      PS i hate statistics… equally not “truth”

      Taste is a sensation, gender is something totally different… so I don’t see where your comment makes any sense. In the end though, it really doesn’t matter what the science is because as humans we make choices based on our own needs, desires, and thoughts. That being said, you can argue gender with science when it comes to transsexuals because there is science behind it. Blowing it off doesn’t invalidate it or make it not so.

      So the the reality of statistic of trans having so much difficulty stems from Bad presentation, bad decision making, and just plain stupidity from people. This world operates on money, people start companies and make money, yet those that do not have what it takes to start and be successful want to blame that on being trans? Really? lets have a little reality check!

      That’s a pretty easy thing to say if you’re white and transitioned later in life or were born into money. Otherwise, you have no capital to make money from. Most younger transitioners have discrimination at all levels, to the point of where the playing field isn’t level, not even close. The reality check should be on privilege and class, not on passibility and money.

  19. Cj Marie says:

    I have struggled my whole life of the why’s of identity, and have yet to come to any conclusion. We as humans need to rationalize anything we don’t understand, we label and group things in order to make sense of our world. Just because there is or isn’t scientific “proof” does not prove anything because it is still an interpretation of what gender “reality” is. It was once thought there was a god of the sun, it was once thought the atom was the smallest. This is what i think…. I love Pizza… is their a test for that? Is their genetic proof of why my taste buds react in such a way that pizza taste good to me but not others? So because others do not like pizza does that mean pizza does not taste good?
    PS i hate statistics… equally not “truth”
    people of extreme emotional distress have a tendency to make bad decisions, lets take surveys of bi-polar, or depression, being trans is what i would imagine emotionally one of the most difficult way someone to live their life. It is not about being gay, which has its on “suck” factor, but what happens in ones bedroom is NO ONE’s business where as Trans is LIFE. So the the reality of statistic of trans having so much difficulty stems from Bad presentation, bad decision making, and just plain stupidity from people. This world operates on money, people start companies and make money, yet those that do not have what it takes to start and be successful want to blame that on being trans? Really? lets have a little reality check!

    • Marti Abernathey says:

      Just because there is or isn’t scientific “proof” does not prove anything because it is still an interpretation of what gender “reality” is. It was once thought there was a god of the sun, it was once thought the atom was the smallest. This is what i think…. I love Pizza… is their a test for that? Is their genetic proof of why my taste buds react in such a way that pizza taste good to me but not others? So because others do not like pizza does that mean pizza does not taste good?
      PS i hate statistics… equally not “truth”

      Taste is a sensation, gender is something totally different… so I don’t see where your comment makes any sense. In the end though, it really doesn’t matter what the science is because as humans we make choices based on our own needs, desires, and thoughts. That being said, you can argue gender with science when it comes to transsexuals because there is science behind it. Blowing it off doesn’t invalidate it or make it not so.

      So the the reality of statistic of trans having so much difficulty stems from Bad presentation, bad decision making, and just plain stupidity from people. This world operates on money, people start companies and make money, yet those that do not have what it takes to start and be successful want to blame that on being trans? Really? lets have a little reality check!

      That’s a pretty easy thing to say if you’re white and transitioned later in life or were born into money. Otherwise, you have no capital to make money from. Most younger transitioners have discrimination at all levels, to the point of where the playing field isn’t level, not even close. The reality check should be on privilege and class, not on passibility and money.

  20. Kim says:

    Transsexual women are biologically female. This is a scientific fact. Neither the absence or presence of a penis nor the chromosomes are able to define someones birth-sex (and I say sex not gender!) to 100 percent (this is the result of the intersex-reserach). As long as transsexual people define themselves as transgender whose gender differs from their birth sex there always will be people who deny them their right to be what they biologically are. It is time to wake up 🙂

    • Marti Abernathey says:

      “This is a scientific fact.”

      If it’s scientific fact, please provide links to said facts.


        female– of, relating to, or being the sex that bears young or produces eggs.

        biology – the life processes especially of an organism or group.

        sex-1. either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures.
        2: the sum of the structural, functional, and behavioral characteristics of organisms that are involved in reproduction marked by the union of gametes and that distinguish males and females

      All the research I’ve seen points to biological differences in the brain, but I’ve not seen any research that points to the fact that our reproductive organs produce ova (in transwomen) or sperm (in transmen). If you have some different research, please point me to it. Otherwise it’s no different than the rantings of radical feminists… a belief.

      As far as rights go, they will not be gained by proving the biological component. Otherwise there never would have been slavery and their never would be racism. In the words of Bayard Rustin,

      “Our job is not to get those people who dislike us to love us. Nor was our aim in the civil rights movement to get prejudiced white people to love us. Our aim was to try to create the kind of America, legislatively, morally, and psychologically, such that even though some whites continued to hate us, they could not openly mainifest that hate. That’s our job today: to control the extent to which people can publicly manifest antigay sentiment.”

      Our job is the same. Our rights will come with the passage of legislation and time.

  21. Kim says:

    Transsexual women are biologically female. This is a scientific fact. Neither the absence or presence of a penis nor the chromosomes are able to define someones birth-sex (and I say sex not gender!) to 100 percent (this is the result of the intersex-reserach). As long as transsexual people define themselves as transgender whose gender differs from their birth sex there always will be people who deny them their right to be what they biologically are. It is time to wake up 🙂

  22. Kim says:

    Transsexual women are biologically female. This is a scientific fact. Neither the absence or presence of a penis nor the chromosomes are able to define someones birth-sex (and I say sex not gender!) to 100 percent (this is the result of the intersex-reserach). As long as transsexual people define themselves as transgender whose gender differs from their birth sex there always will be people who deny them their right to be what they biologically are. It is time to wake up 🙂

    • Marti Abernathey says:

      “This is a scientific fact.”

      If it’s scientific fact, please provide links to said facts.


      female– of, relating to, or being the sex that bears young or produces eggs.

      biology – the life processes especially of an organism or group.
      sex-1. either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures.
      2: the sum of the structural, functional, and behavioral characteristics of organisms that are involved in reproduction marked by the union of gametes and that distinguish males and females

      All the research I’ve seen points to biological differences in the brain, but I’ve not seen any research that points to the fact that our reproductive organs produce ova (in transwomen) or sperm (in transmen). If you have some different research, please point me to it. Otherwise it’s no different than the rantings of radical feminists… a belief.

      As far as rights go, they will not be gained by proving the biological component. Otherwise there never would have been slavery and their never would be racism. In the words of Bayard Rustin,

      “Our job is not to get those people who dislike us to love us. Nor was our aim in the civil rights movement to get prejudiced white people to love us. Our aim was to try to create the kind of America, legislatively, morally, and psychologically, such that even though some whites continued to hate us, they could not openly mainifest that hate. That’s our job today: to control the extent to which people can publicly manifest antigay sentiment.”

      Our job is the same. Our rights will come with the passage of legislation and time.

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